Curse

generik · May 21, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by widds2v

Well with the collectors factions coming out in a couple of weeks I had to pay $50 for a factions key to play factions, and then another 60-70 bucks for a CE key to overwrite my $50 regular factions key? Stupid....

QFT

Even better it was not even our damned fault that the CE was unavailable at release.

Magda · May 21, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by generik

Perhaps the legal monkies in NCSoft may want to read about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Hell, I've seen even Microsoft's so called EULA being crushed in court by law college student who was merely reselling his Academic version of software, legally.

I really glee at the idea of seeing someone take Anet to court for this clause in the EULA too. Do not for a moment think an EULA is gospel truth, it is at very best a contract, and even then you still retain rights as a consumer.

I really glee at this idea too- I love to see overbearing people make complete a$$es of themselves.

Sure, you bought a copy of Guildwars. However, by the very nature of GW, you cannot play the game without accessing their servers. Regardless of the laws regarding whether or not you can sell the software and how legally binding the EULA is, the fact of the matter is that even if you can legally sell your copy of GW, you can't legally sell the implied contract you have with ANet in regards to accessing their servers. That's a different matter, and the law is firmly on ANet's side there. It's very similar to renting an apartment- you get a lease from your landlord, which is a contract between you and the landlord which gives you rights and obligations. However, you can't go and sell your lease to a third party.

With the setup of GW, buying the game is obtaining the game client and purchasing an account on the GuildWars servers via which you can play the game. Copyright law only deals with the product you purchased- it doesn't deal with services. In cases where copyright allows, you can resell or transfer the GW game client. Of course, the client is available for free to anybody who wants it, so that won't get you much. What you're really trying to do is sell the account on the servers that allows you to access the game and stores the information about your characters- which is something far different than selling the software that you bought at the store.

generik · May 21, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by Magda

I really glee at this idea too- I love to see overbearing people make complete a$$es of themselves.

Sure, you bought a copy of Guildwars. However, by the very nature of GW, you cannot play the game without accessing their servers. Regardless of the laws regarding whether or not you can sell the software and how legally binding the EULA is, the fact of the matter is that even if you can legally sell your copy of GW, you can't legally sell the implied contract you have with ANet in regards to accessing their servers. That's a different matter, and the law is firmly on ANet's side there. It's very similar to renting an apartment- you get a lease from your landlord, which is a contract between you and the landlord which gives you rights and obligations. However, you can't go and sell your lease to a third party.

With the setup of GW, buying the game is obtaining the game client and purchasing an account on the GuildWars servers via which you can play the game. Copyright law only deals with the product you purchased- it doesn't deal with services. In cases where copyright allows, you can resell or transfer the GW game client. Of course, the client is available for free to anybody who wants it, so that won't get you much. What you're really trying to do is sell the account on the servers that allows you to access the game and stores the information about your characters- which is something far different than selling the software that you bought at the store.

Ah, thanks for the heads up. I'm sure someday Microsoft might look into making every copy of Office load from their servers

Loviatar · May 21, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by widds2v
Well with the collectors factions coming out in a couple of weeks I had to pay $50 for a factions key to play factions, and then another 60-70 bucks for a CE key to overwrite my $50 regular factions key? Stupid....

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Originally Posted by generik

QFT

Even better it was not even our damned fault that the CE was unavailable at release.

even better was that i made the CHOICE to miss one lousy week of Factions playing (with fun) chapter 1 and getting my CE.

other choices were made by people who were *the instant gratification people* who literally having to make the same CHOICE bought anything available just to get it now.

/no sympathy

Lord Shazneri · May 22, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

even better was that i made the CHOICE to miss one lousy week of Factions playing (with fun) chapter 1 and getting my CE.

other choices were made by people who were *the instant gratification people* who literally having to make the same CHOICE bought anything available just to get it now.

/no sympathy

But I was Jones'in For my Tegnu Helm!

Tarun · May 22, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

If you link a CE key, it should allow your SE key to become free so you can give it to a friend or someone who would like to play. There's no monetary loss for NCSoft here.

Priest Of Sin · May 22, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

I'd totally agree if the linking system was set up so that I could buy two copies of GW, link em, and get 8 slots. But as for your idea, it would just cause too many problems.

/notsigned

DeMiGod · Jul 30, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by Tarun

If you link a CE key, it should allow your SE key to become free so you can give it to a friend or someone who would like to play. There's no monetary loss for NCSoft here.

Yes I agree. If you are stupid enough (like me) to add a CE key to an account after you already have the SE cd key added then I think you should be able t reuse the SE key again on another account. I wont get into the whole reselling thing I'm just talking about fair trade here. You buy something, you should get something in return. I paid for 2 copies of factions and only recieved one. Anywhere else this would be illegal and downright unconscionable. Nowhere on the box does it state CLEARLY that if you add a cd key to an account that you have already added a key then you get NOTHING. I stupidly expected to maybe get additional character slots at least. Instead I got a dragon and a few special emotes for the full price of a game. The is whats called false and misleading representation. I was mislead and plenty of others have been as well. I intend to do something about it and encourage others to as well starting with their retailers.